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prof serious's avatar

This is an excellent and very informative post. Thank you.

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Jim Maltby's avatar

I think there’s some great stuff in here, but the a few things that seem muddled, conflated and confused.

Firstly, many (Tetlock, Silver, Taleb, Popper, King) demonstrate clearly that prediction is only useful to a limited set of problems. Tetlock calls it the Goldilocks Zone. This is where probability works and/ or works as a proxy. Beyond those conditions treating it as a predictable is (in their words) dangerous!

When you say ascribing numbers is essential, what I think your are conflating here (assuming this is adopted from Superforecasting practice) is that the act of doing so force’s the person to unpack their reasoning (showing their mental working). So it is the act of making your reasoning explicit not ascribing numbers that is the value here. When things are truly uncertain (in the Knightly sense) I.e. beyond the Goldilocks Zone, the axioms of probability don’t hold so you both can’t use numbers and doing so creates an “illusion of concreteness”.

The description of the use of “inductive probabilities” and “inductive premises” sounds like it’s being confused with abductive reasoning. Abductive reasoning is The type of thinking used in thought experiments and speculation, and is essential in the consideration of the future. As Fischer (2001) says it’s illogical for the future to be based purely on the past (i.e. induction).

Having said that I think you are right that governments are obsessed by predictions - in spite of the forecasting tournaments like Cosmic Bazaar, etc. - but are not very good at forecasting (making predictions).

However, I unconvinced by the argument for treating everything as predictable. It is unsurprising that the AI folks quoted make claims that their tools are useful here, but they are not experts in psychology and their reasoning is flawed. In my opinion it is a cause for grave concern to do so in conditions of true (radical, deep, etc) uncertainty i.e. most policy, and governments are even worse at thinking about this than they are at forecasting.

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